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Post by nicola on Apr 23, 2012 6:25:18 GMT
Almost everytime I visit HWI, my first stop is the other artists thread. You may say this isn't very supportive of Hayley, but it's the only way I hear about Hayley - when I visit that site. The other option is not to log on there at all. The reason I don't wade through Hayley's topics much is because HWI has been around for over 5 years - things to be discussed have already been discussed, and it gets to the point that they discuss Hayley's earrings, dresses or her teeth - I have no interest in that. So I log on for the latest artist they are discussing, but I also look through the new topics page to see if there's any new news. A lot of the time, the threads are topics that have already been explored (how Hayley should crack America must have been discussed over ten times). The point is, the "other artists" thread is a lure for me to go there. It's where things being discussed have not been discussed before, so I enjoy those threads (apart from when the odd member muscles in and says "They are not as good as Hayley!" (yawn). If that sub-forum wasn't there, I wouldn't visit, because I don't like the way they discuss Hayley. And yet, it's where I pick up my Hayley news. Objective successful. Allows me to go away and spread the latest Hayley news. I only regularly attend three forums - I don't have the time I used to - so in many ways, my coverage is going to be biased towards Mary-Jess and Hayley because I go to their forums. Shame really...
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Post by ken on Apr 29, 2012 12:45:24 GMT
Hi Nicola, You say you couldn't disagree with my posts more and then promptly agreed with several things I have said. For example, you wrote a lengthy paragraph which explains your reasons for creating your forum. I have acknowledged that more than once: My internet "home" though is Nicola's Classical-Crossover UK website and forum, through which I have discovered literally dozens of wonderful artists. Well, that's fine. If my understanding of that site is correct, that is exactly the place where such information should be sought. And: If I want general news about anyone and everyone within the Crossover genre, I would look at Nicola's site. You then said that the idea that fans can only like one artist is a complete myth. I couldn't agree more as you will have seen if you had read my post properly: I am not suggesting that members shouldn't enjoy other singer's work, buy CDs, go to concerts, etc,... I'm sorry but I resent the implication that I have said (or believe) otherwise. Anyway, that is vastly different from going to great lengths to promote several of them by running numerous forums. Incidentally Nicola, I'm inclined to agree with all you said about HWI but don't tell me, tell them! If artists are not rivals, as so many of you imply, tell me this. Why do managers and record companies do all they can to ensure that a new album is not released on the same day as one by another singer of similar style? They know perfectly well that, if release dates are staggered, all of them stand a reasonal chance of success (subject to satisfactory promo, of course) but, if they coincide, one or two may do okay but the rest will bomb. If those singers were not in competition with one another, they wouldn't need to bother. Whether you like it or not, the music industry is highly competitive and always will be. That makes singers whose style is similar rivals. Yes, many of them appear in concerts as guests for one another because it is mutually beneficial for a host of reasons but it does not prove that they are not rivals within the industry. They are. Having read through this thread again (because I hadn't seen it for a week), one thing has become clear. You are all blindly defending your own positions (your own wishes, more like) and have given no thought to the music industry or how it is run. Consequently, much of what you have all said, however well meant, merely displays your naivety, is totally impractical or just plain wrong. All things considered, I will not waste any more time on a forum which, for me, has lost all credibility. I wish Mary-Jess every success. Bye all, Ken
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Post by Admin on Apr 29, 2012 13:02:34 GMT
I am sorry that you feel this way Ken, I have defended my own position for opening forums and supporting different artists because my motives were questioned in your opening post.
Dazza
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Post by bobscullen on Apr 29, 2012 13:32:50 GMT
So sorry to see you go Ken. The more I use Facebook and Twitter I see that most of the artists in this Genre tend to support one another more than any other. Only the other day Kristyn Murphy was gathering and getting the support of other artists to vote for her video in the Macy competition for her version of Star Spangled Banner.
Yes they may be rivals but they try and help each other, especially the lesser known Indie artists. I don't see any harm coming to Mary Jess by featuring other artists here. I am Mary Jess and always will be a fan of Mary Jess and continue to promote her here and on other Forums. Best wishes Ken. I hope you will reconsider. Bob
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Post by Simon on Apr 29, 2012 20:50:07 GMT
It's sad to see Ken go, I hope he remains a Mary-Jess fan. I agree with everything that Bob, Dazza and Nicola have said, it does no harm as long as it stays in the correct part of the forum.
This is a relatively small genre of music, and most of the up and coming artists in the arena are fully supportive of each other, they do not see themselves as rivals at all. They do what they can to promote each other, it's through their 'friendship network' on Twitter and Facebook I have discovered some of these indie artists.
If in the CC arena there was only Mary-Jess, then it would be a very small market and not worth the record companies bothering at all. By promoting each other they are increasing the market, making it more attractive to the record companies.
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nicola
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Post by nicola on Apr 30, 2012 6:35:08 GMT
Hello Ken, So sorry you won't be around to reply. However, in case you read this, I will respond to what you said. My last post was very general. I wasn't implying that of you - it's only part of my "artists-need-to-stick-together" speech, which I give many times in various places. You are 100% right about record companies and managers pitting artists against each other. To them they are rivals (when it suits them). Well, this is true of majors, anyway. But it's the majors own fault. They insist on giving any CC singer the same repertoire over and over and do not give much difference between them, they certainly would see others as rivals - as they are not just similar - they are doing the exact same thing. I wouldn't deny that; in the specific case of Mary-Jess, she is fortunate enough to sound completely different, which is why other CC artists aren't a threat to her. Even so, as I said in my last post - expanding the genre is helping all the artists in it. I believe that because I've seen the effects of it. But the point is, we are not part of the music industry, we are fans and we do not think in the same way anyway. All we care about is the music and to listen to any music that we like. As you have seen on here, no one is going to be "taken" away from Mary-Jess by liking another artist. Nobody actually offers what Mary-Jess offers, so it's not even the case that they can find somebody else that does the same thing "better". Whilst I think your concerns have a place and are relevant, they are not for this particular forum. You have read in this thread what attitude is here, and it's an attitude that does not threaten Mary-Jess.
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Post by John on Apr 30, 2012 7:58:10 GMT
Yes they may be rivals but they try and help each other, especially the lesser known Indie artists. I don't see any harm coming to Mary Jess by featuring other artists here. I am Mary Jess and always will be a fan of Mary Jess and continue to promote her here and on other Forums. Aha! That takes me back to a recent facebook conversation where it was commented that Bob and Mary-Jess had never been seen together in the same place. Sorry for the flippancy. I know this is a serious issue but I just felt we could do with lightening the mood.
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Post by Jenny A on Apr 30, 2012 11:46:11 GMT
Yes they may be rivals but they try and help each other, especially the lesser known Indie artists. I don't see any harm coming to Mary Jess by featuring other artists here. I am Mary Jess and always will be a fan of Mary Jess and continue to promote her here and on other Forums. Aha! That takes me back to a recent facebook conversation where it was commented that Bob and Mary-Jess had never been seen together in the same place. Sorry for the flippancy. I know this is a serious issue but I just felt we could do with lightening the mood. Thanks for that, John. As interesting of a discussion this has been, It was starting to get a bit heavy. You gave me a good laugh. ;D I didn't notice that when I first read bob's post. I disagree with ken about most things mentioned but I think I can understand his reasoning. I'm sorry he felt he needed to leave. Jenny♥
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Post by Simon on May 1, 2012 5:31:15 GMT
Thanks for reminding me of that. It's still true that Bob and Mary-Jess have never been in the same place at the same time, never indeed in the same country at the same time!!
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Post by bobscullen on May 1, 2012 9:43:41 GMT
Ha Ha, you have not heard my Chinese yet? LOL
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Post by jillwithajay on Oct 7, 2013 12:34:35 GMT
I just want to add my two penneth here, albeit a bit late but I'm one of those people who found Mary-Jess via Russell Watson and enjoy her music and I can appreciate both sides of this debate.
The administrator of a forum run for fans of Russell Watson gets a bit tetchy when there's more going on in the "other artists" section but what else can you talk about in between CD releases or tours?
Forums in general appear to be very much quieter in recent times and this, I put down to other social media such as Facebook.
I think there is a danger of people becoming seen as "professional " moderators. I'm a moderator on Rebecca Newman's new forum but that's the only music related forum I moderate.
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Post by John on Oct 8, 2013 20:43:16 GMT
Hi Jill, I didn't realize you were the same Jill as on Rebecca's forum. It's nice to make the connection. I don't remember checking when this thread was started (maybe I already knew the answer without looking), but all the people who started threads in the 'other music' section are still active supporters of Mary-Jess. Although we all support other artists as well, I don't believe our loyalty to Mary-Jess is in any way diminished. Some other forums have been very quiet in recent months. A few of us have been maintaining some activity here (including a little about other artists ) and with new albums and a tour hopefully there will be plenty to say about Mary-Jess in the near future.
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Post by John on Oct 8, 2013 21:02:46 GMT
Oh! I seem to have mentioned Mary-Jess once or twice on Rebecca's forum already but not as many times as I have mentioned Rebecca here
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